From: "Richard"
Date: July 24, 2005 4:29:11 PM PDT
To: rjon@vzavenue.net
Subject: Re: well,..why (how) even talk about it?!!!
Reply-To: postaum2005@sriaurobindocenter-la.com

A. One does not speak of intersubjectivity of the individual, one then speaks of subjectivity

B.
Whereas One does not doubt the necessity of a strong guiding intuition,
without a proper intersubjective methodology in setting parameters for
self-organization even the small collective following a guiding
intuition can be led into obscuration and corruption.

rich

Rod wrote:

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From: "Rod Hemsell"
To: (rcarlson@olympus.net)
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 12:53 AM
Subject: Re: well,..why (how) even talk about it?!!!

Even
on the individual level and for the small collective I often feel that
rationalism of the Habermas type can almost certainly lead to the
obscuration, corruption, even the abolition of the possibility of truth
if there is not a strong guiding intuition. That's the reason for my
(provisionally suspended) doubt.


Richard wrote:

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regarding the difference in the individual and collective realization

From Life Divine (885)

It
is true also that the spiritual change has been individual and not
collective: its result has been successful in man , but unsuccessful or
only indirectly operative in the human mass. ...... It is only when
Nature has fully confirmed this intensive evolution and formation
through the individual that anything radical of an expanding or
dynamically diffusive character can be expected or any attempt at
collective spiritual life - such attempts have been made but mostly as
a field of protection for the growth of the individuals spirituality-
acquire a successful permanence. For till then the individual must be
preoccupied with his own problems of entirely changing his mind and
life into conformity with the truth of the spirit which he is achieving
or has achieved in his inner being and knowledge. Any premature attempt
at a large-scale collective spiritual life is exposed to vitiation by
some incompleteness of the spiritual knowledge on its dynamic side, by
the imperfections of the individual seekers and by the invasion of the
ordinary mind and vital and physical consciousness taking hold of the
truth and mechanizing, obscuring or corrupting it.

r