From: "Richard"
Date: July 24, 2005 1:40:28 PM PDT
To: rjon@vzavenue.net
Subject: Re: well,..why (how) even talk about it?!!!
Reply-To: postaum2005@sriaurobindocenter-la.com

regarding the difference in the individual and collective realization

From Life Divine (885)

It is true also that the spiritual change has been individual and not collective: its result has been successful in man , but unsuccessful or only indirectly operative in the human mass. …… It is only when Nature has fully confirmed this intensive evolution and formation through the individual that anything radical of an expanding or dynamically diffusive character can be expected or any attempt at collective spiritual life - such attempts have been made but mostly as a field of protection for the growth of the individuals spirituality- acquire a successful permanence. For till then the individual must be preoccupied with his own problems of entirely changing his mind and life into conformity with the truth of the spirit which he is achieving or has achieved in his inner being and knowledge. Any premature attempt at a large-scale collective spiritual life is exposed to vitiation by some incompleteness of the spiritual knowledge on its dynamic side, by the imperfections of the individual seekers and by the invasion of the ordinary mind and vital and physical consciousness taking hold of the truth and mechanizing, obscuring or corrupting it.

r

——- Original Message ——-

Rod Hemsell wrote:

Intersubjectively all:

I think the comments of Rich, Ron, Vikas, Don, etc. over the past few days have covered an extraordinary range of important ideas. And I really appreciate the treatment of Habermas and subjectivity. It is clear that this term refers to a domain of shared values and language that is created through "culture": "While an individual may arrive at knowledge through a sudden flash of insight, Habermas insists that such knowledge enters the intersubjective sphere only by being translated into rational, accessible discourse. The sphere of intersubjectivity is not the creation of a single individual psyche, but is a medium of communicable knowledge, created and maintained through the interaction of many subjectivities." It would be helpful to have similar clarifications of terms like "consciousness," "intelligence," "integral" and "non-dualism" as well.

Meanwhile, regarding the cubing of the sphere, here are a few lines to bear in mind from Savitri:

And when the ambiguous crowded parts have met
The many-toned unity to which they moved,
The Artist's joy shall laugh at reason's rules;
The divine intention suddenly shall be seen,
The end vindicate intuition's sure technique.
A graph shall be of many meeting worlds,
A cube and union-crystal of the gods;…

And as for the point where consciousness began on earth, well, it began as unconcsious Mind with the big bang:

"A gas belched out from some invisible fire…
Across the thick smoke of earth's ignorance a
Mind began to see and look at forms
And groped for knowledge in the nescient Night:
Caught in a blind stone-grip Force worked its plan
And made in sleep this huge mechanical world,
That Matter might grow conscious of its soul
And like a busy midwife the life-power
Deliver the zero carrier of the All.

Mind flowed unknowing in the sap of life
And Matter's breasts suckled the divine Idea."